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Post by Vucub Caquix on Aug 3, 2019 3:12:07 GMT
Alright I was going to post the speeches but it's not letting me copy on mobile
So I'll start the questioning phase now and if finalists want to post speeches the thread is unlocked. I'll get them once I'm out of work otherwise.
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Post by Osiris on Aug 3, 2019 3:31:07 GMT
Let's start with the basics. Why should I vote for you over the others?
And why shouldn't I vote for your over the others?
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Post by Erebus on Aug 3, 2019 3:34:37 GMT
Heimdall - walk me through my blindside, and justify the fact that I knew I was going home half-way through tribal.
Amatarasu - Justify the fact that I had no contact with you throughout the entire game. Why should I give you my vote if you never spoke to me once?
Fenrir - See the question to Amata - and also justify both why I quite literally never heard your name from anyone, in any context, as well as why your final speech seems to have more to do with challenges than it does about your strategic play.
I come here as an open vote - these questions will likely significantly influence who I choose to vote for, so please answer as such.
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Post by Typhon on Aug 3, 2019 7:50:38 GMT
I am the first jury member, so I have very little idea of what happened post-death but I will try ask the best questions I can.
Coming in to this, I spoke to all three of you quite a lot. I am very happy to see you all made it.
but...
To us, it is quite clear Heimdall and Amaterasu seem to have done the majority and that Fenrir was just a goat/sheep for Amaterasu. I just want to know if you disagree Fenrir, and if so, convince us why you were not her sheep.
To both Heimdall and Fenrir, what happened in that final 4 elimination? Amaterasu was very clearly, from our point of view, by far the biggest jury threat. Why did you keep her in?
For Amaterasu and Heimdall, a lot of blindsides apparently happened, or so the other jurors have said so. The only issue is that they all had some sort of idea it was happening and so they (and maybe a few others) voted Heimdall, as he seemed to be the ringleader in all of the blindsides. What happened so that Heimdall's plans kept getting leaked? How much was Amaterasu responsible for saving them?
For Amaterasu, just want to say it is great to see you here. I was worried at the merge that all four of us would be eliminated quickly but I was wrong, you and Fenrir pulled through. Apparently you had a great social game, and I must agree with that, though how did you survive that final 4 elimination?
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Heimdall
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Post by Heimdall on Aug 3, 2019 8:04:03 GMT
Here's the whole story in two parts. Before Ep Nine: We had our little chats and eliminated Typhon, but after the leaking of Quartet and the other shenanigans that came with the Loki/Heimdall/Erebus trio, I was starting to fear that you were looking too close and cuddly with the Asgardian side of things - Chronos and Osiris - to be comfortable with you in the later game. After checking in with Loki that you had to go, started to lay bricks - mainly starting an alliance with Amaterasu to get hers and Fenrir’s votes on lock. (sorry, I wasn’t actually bored. I used that line way too much, lol.) Seeing a chance to light your relationships on fire, I snitched on the Zeus blindside to Chronos, telling him you were responsible for leading the Zeus blindside, hoping that it would spread to Osiris and put a damper on that whole affair. Everything After: First words out, and Zeus is gone. Noice. Amaterasu’s back from Exile, so I hit her up. She’s nice conversation, if a little tense. I wasn’t being picky, lol.
Erebus comes out with news that Chronos is accusing him of blindsiding Zeus. (Shocker). No word on who did it, thank fuck, so I cheer a little inside. Blame’s placed on the resident two snakes, Dio and 'Nami and the Thirdet alliance set to take them both out - after which I can just use Amaterasu and Fenrir to take you out. Yeet.
And then Thirdet goes dead. Thanks, Chronos, should’ve known you’d snitch. Now the plan was just “Kill him before he kills me.” Not great, considering you had a double vote.
Luckily, Amaterasu was desperate and looking for someone to save her and Fenrir’s arses. Nice. I start crying about how I’m desperate too, and the Last Hope alliance was made after more crying than I’m proud of or willing to admit. Amaterasu then reveals how much she knows about True Titans and then I’m doing damage control and a bit more sob story. It worked.
We get Izanami’s vote through a different chat. At this point, we could trust her as far as we could throw her, lol. nThe issue of who to vote comes up and I push you. While I could get away with a Dio vote and probably get away clean, your double vote would have stayed active in a tiebreaker - not worth the risk - and it gave me the issue of numbers later. After some irrelevant chitchat, it was confirmed we had enough for a tiebreaker or better, what with Dio’s confirmed vote on Chronos. The guy had a murder boner for him after he tried to vote him, so he split the vote nicely just in case everything ese went to hell. Once all was said and done, I just sat back and waited for the world to burn.
I always figured you’d find out about the blindside, so how it happened is an issue of “don’t know, don’t care.” It’s hard to keep a secret when it involved people like Dio and Izanami, resident snakes. I just made sure it wouldn’t matter.
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Heimdall
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Post by Heimdall on Aug 3, 2019 8:17:47 GMT
To both Heimdall and Fenrir, what happened in that final 4 elimination? Amaterasu was very clearly, from our point of view, by far the biggest jury threat. Why did you keep her in? For Amaterasu and Heimdall, a lot of blindsides apparently happened, or so the other jurors have said so. The only issue is that they all had some sort of idea it was happening and so they (and maybe a few others) voted Heimdall, as he seemed to be the ringleader in all of the blindsides. What happened so that Heimdall's plans kept getting leaked? It was, unfortunately, an issue of numbers. Fenrir was Amaterasu’s bitch from my POV, so he was out immediately as a vote. Also, I had heard a total of roughly 10 words from him the entire game. I tried talking to Izanami to bring it to a tiebreaker challenge, as that was our best chance - and Izanami was fairly good at them - but she never got back to me when it came to changing her vote from Fenrir to Amaterasu. Too little, too late. For some, I think it was the fact that chats went quiet just beforehand, which aroused suspicions - when it comes to suspected shenanigans, I’m the easiest one to blame. (Even if it was totally my fault.) Also, I’ll say it again - snakes in your alliance means someone would always hear what was going down, and what with everyone playing Telephone with their respective alliances, everyone would hear something at some point. The real issue was keeping everyone split between different targets while we didn’t have the majority, so that they couldn’t rally against me.
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Amaterasu
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Post by Amaterasu on Aug 3, 2019 10:02:48 GMT
Amatarasu - Justify the fact that I had no contact with you throughout the entire game. Why should I give you my vote if you never spoke to me once? My social game wasn't great, yes. There's a reason for that - I had trust issues after the failed 6p alliance. I was scared to message people just because I expected them to lie to me or spread rumors about me.
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Post by Amaterasu on Aug 3, 2019 10:08:31 GMT
For Amaterasu and Heimdall, a lot of blindsides apparently happened, or so the other jurors have said so. The only issue is that they all had some sort of idea it was happening and so they (and maybe a few others) voted Heimdall, as he seemed to be the ringleader in all of the blindsides. What happened so that Heimdall's plans kept getting leaked? How much was Amaterasu responsible for saving them? For Amaterasu, just want to say it is great to see you here. I was worried at the merge that all four of us would be eliminated quickly but I was wrong, you and Fenrir pulled through. Apparently you had a great social game, and I must agree with that, though how did you survive that final 4 elimination? 1) I usually kept my mouth shut about the blindsides, only informing people in Last Hope. There wasn't a need to talk about them with others - we had a majority alliance anyway. 2) Thank you! I don't think I had that great of a social game - I didn't initiate alliances, I was moreso the "talk to them if they first start talking to me" type. That worked out though, so I'm not complaining. I probably survived that because Fenrir and Izanami both had respect for me. Fenrir for obvious reasons, Izanami at some point said that I'm the chillest of all the gods and goddesses during F6 or F5, so she'll help me if I need any help.
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Amaterasu
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Post by Amaterasu on Aug 3, 2019 10:12:03 GMT
Also, I don't know if I'm allowed to ask, but did I get an idol because you sent me the Olympian idol part, Typhon?
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Post by Typhon on Aug 3, 2019 10:15:14 GMT
I did not, sorry. I probably should of since I was so confident I was going out but my trust in you had wavered once we reached merge. I probably could have asked you to help exile me too, but I did not want a free idol hanging around.
My theory is that nobody on the enemy tribe took the idol piece, meaning we had the only two pieces.
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Post by Typhon on Aug 3, 2019 10:16:18 GMT
I did not, sorry. I probably should of since I was so confident I was going out but my trust in you had wavered once we reached merge. I probably could have asked you to help exile me too, but I did not want a free idol hanging around. My theory is that nobody on the enemy tribe took the idol piece, meaning we had the only two pieces. Which is something I realised after you mentioned getting an idol... Hurts to be honest, as I could have survived that elimination if at any point in the game I asked for your piece. Though it is alright. Happy at least one of us made it.
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Fenrir
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 3, 2019 10:25:24 GMT
Let's start with the basics. Why should I vote for you over the others? And why shouldn't I vote for your over the others? Well, I was never really considered to be a threat in this game, even as I was creeping my way into the final 4, and by the time I was noticed, it was already far too late. I suppose this is both a reason to vote and not to vote me, as while it's true that the first vote I got was in the very last tribal council, my playstyle is by design the least interesting. Fenrir - See the question to Amata - and also justify both why I quite literally never heard your name from anyone, in any context, as well as why your final speech seems to have more to do with challenges than it does about your strategic play. I come here as an open vote - these questions will likely significantly influence who I choose to vote for, so please answer as such. The reason why you haven't heard of me was intentional. You see, my strategic play revolved around challenges. I took them as an opportunity to stay under the radar, rather than to try and win them. There was no point in getting immunity if you were never considered as a vote to begin with. [...]To us, it is quite clear Heimdall and Amaterasu seem to have done the majority and that Fenrir was just a goat/sheep for Amaterasu. I just want to know if you disagree Fenrir, and if so, convince us why you were not her sheep. Well met, Typhon. It's been a while. While I do disagree that I was just a sheep the entire time, it is good to hear that I did look like one, and that I wasn't throwing challenges for no reason. I literally did not submit half of the merge challenges for this exact purpose. Amaterasu and Heimdall were already stirring the pot, so there was no point in me sticking my neck out to do the same if I was already allied with Amaterasu since the start of the game. All I had to do was support her from behind the scenes and things would just starting falling in my favor. I did convince Chronos and even Osiris to vote in our favor from time to time, as I knew they didn't have a lot of connections and were getting desperate, but I wanted to make sure I would be able to slip by to the finish line even if Amaterasu's master plan had failed. To both Heimdall and Fenrir, what happened in that final 4 elimination? Amaterasu was very clearly, from our point of view, by far the biggest jury threat. Why did you keep her in?[...] Honestly, I was surprised myself. I knew that if they played their cards right they could've gotten rid of Amaterasu even without my help, but they chose not to. As for me? I could've eliminated Amaterasu in the f5, but I just didn't have the heart to do it. Loyalty was what brought me here in the end, and I wasn't about to sell that just to hand over the win to Heimdall. If I am going to lose, I will do so with dignity, and on my own terms.
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Post by Amaterasu on Aug 3, 2019 10:41:17 GMT
Let's start with the basics. Why should I vote for you over the others? And why shouldn't I vote for your over the others? 1) Because I was an underdog Olympian who managed to not get eliminated early alongside Typhon and Zeus. This counts for Fenrir too, but I think everyone should I agree that I put more effort into keeping us both alive. I think I managed to find the balance in my social game, so scratch my previous comment on it being not that great - I wasn't too vocal but I wasn't silent either. So I had teammates, but I wouldn't be rumored as the leader and wouldn't get targeted. I was pretty good at challenges from what I recall. I also made memes. (jk) Honestly, I tried to keep the Mead Hall alive but appareantly all the players were too distracted by trying to win. Don't think it warrants a vote for me but just a fun little thing. I was trusted by my allies and never tried to backstab them. (other than Heimdall during F4) 2) My naiveness cost me 2 close teammates dying right after Merge. I didn't with interact Erebus, barely interacted with you and Chronos. During the most important, final challenge, I choked and got the worst result.
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Amaterasu
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Post by Amaterasu on Aug 3, 2019 11:03:06 GMT
I did not, sorry. I probably should of since I was so confident I was going out but my trust in you had wavered once we reached merge. I probably could have asked you to help exile me too, but I did not want a free idol hanging around. My theory is that nobody on the enemy tribe took the idol piece, meaning we had the only two pieces. Huh, that makes sense. I probably got the idol from exile then.
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Post by Typhon on Aug 3, 2019 11:06:16 GMT
I did not, sorry. I probably should of since I was so confident I was going out but my trust in you had wavered once we reached merge. I probably could have asked you to help exile me too, but I did not want a free idol hanging around. My theory is that nobody on the enemy tribe took the idol piece, meaning we had the only two pieces. Huh, that makes sense. I probably got the idol from exile then. No, I think that nobody bid on the piece. So when I was eliminated, yours was the only piece.
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Amaterasu
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Post by Amaterasu on Aug 3, 2019 11:13:15 GMT
Ohhhh, okay. Fair enough.
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Fenrir
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 3, 2019 11:24:00 GMT
1) Because I was an underdog Olympian who managed to not get eliminated early alongside Typhon and Zeus. This counts for Fenrir too, but I think everyone should agree that I put more effort into keeping us both alive. What you were doing was brave of you, but it was also very dangerous. Had you not have been able to go to exile in TC 8 you probably would have been sent packing then and there. I think I managed to find the balance in my social game, so scratch my previous comment on it being not that great - I wasn't too vocal but I wasn't silent either. So I had teammates, but I wouldn't be rumored as the leader and wouldn't get targeted. You set up a 6p alliance that was betrayed almost instantly, which if I'm being perfectly honest, was probably why we started getting targeted in the first place.
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Amaterasu
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Post by Amaterasu on Aug 3, 2019 13:04:54 GMT
Yeah, that's my fault. Probably worst part of the game for me.
I actually don't know if I or Zeus would've got evicted, the jurors probably have the answer to this.
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Post by Typhon on Aug 3, 2019 13:09:25 GMT
Fenrir, do you have any proof that you had done what you said you did?
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 3, 2019 13:10:35 GMT
Fenrir, do you have any proof that you had done what you said you did? Which part, exactly?
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Post by Erebus on Aug 3, 2019 13:13:54 GMT
1) Because I was an underdog Olympian who managed to not get eliminated early alongside Typhon and Zeus. This counts for Fenrir too, but I think everyone should agree that I put more effort into keeping us both alive. What you were doing was brave of you, but it was also very dangerous. Had you not have been able to go to exile in TC 8 you probably would have been sent packing then and there. I think I managed to find the balance in my social game, so scratch my previous comment on it being not that great - I wasn't too vocal but I wasn't silent either. So I had teammates, but I wouldn't be rumored as the leader and wouldn't get targeted. You set up a 6p alliance that was betrayed almost instantly, which if I'm being perfectly honest, was probably why we started getting targeted in the first place. Trashing Amata's game will get you no votes, Fenrir. We can decide for ourselves what is relevant for our votes. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
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Post by Typhon on Aug 3, 2019 13:15:09 GMT
Fenrir, do you have any proof that you had done what you said you did? Which part, exactly? Throwing challenges, going under the radar etc. To quote someone from Valhalla "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck".
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Fenrir
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 3, 2019 13:19:24 GMT
What you were doing was brave of you, but it was also very dangerous. Had you not have been able to go to exile in TC 8 you probably would have been sent packing then and there. You set up a 6p alliance that was betrayed almost instantly, which if I'm being perfectly honest, was probably why we started getting targeted in the first place. Trashing Amata's game will get you no votes, Fenrir. We can decide for ourselves what is relevant for our votes. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk >trashing Amata's game I'm not trashing her game, I'm pointing out that she is trying to claim glory for fixing her own mistake.
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Post by Amaterasu on Aug 3, 2019 13:21:23 GMT
I'm not trying to claim glory. I'm not the hero in this game and I don't want to be voted for something I did not do. If I'm getting voted, only for fair reasons
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Fenrir
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 3, 2019 13:44:52 GMT
Throwing challenges, going under the radar etc. To quote someone from Valhalla "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck". A fair point, but the evidence I have for that isn't all that concrete. I didn't submit anything for challenge 9, 12, and 13. For challenge 8, I used earth 3 times even though the only thing it does is poorly counter water (and you still lose points for it). In challenge 10 I took the second longest time. For challenge 6 (The words of power) I used opposites and attraction to describe adhesive to get the team to guess magnetic. Aside from that, I got nothing. It did work though, maybe a little too well.
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Post by Typhon on Aug 3, 2019 13:51:02 GMT
Throwing challenges, going under the radar etc. To quote someone from Valhalla "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck". A fair point, but the evidence I have for that isn't all that concrete. I didn't submit anything for challenge 9, 12, and 13. For challenge 8, I used earth 3 times even though the only thing it does is poorly counter water (and you still lose points for it). In challenge 10 I took the second longest time. For challenge 6 (The words of power) I used opposites and attraction to describe adhesive to get the team to guess magnetic. Aside from that, I got nothing. It did work though, maybe a little too well. But how do we know you are not just bad at challenges?
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Heimdall
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Post by Heimdall on Aug 3, 2019 13:57:39 GMT
Oops, I missed your question there, Osiris. Please forgive me. Here's why you shouldn't vote for me: At the end of things, Amaterasu had me out-numbered - without winning F4, I would've been toast for being too much of a Jury threat. Playing on her guilt and sentimentality could only get me so far, and it failed me there.
I also didn't take the time to be particularly likeable amongst the Jury - jury management, I think it's called. You guys know that I didn't put much care into you knowing I was the ringleader behind your eliminations (mainly because it was pointless to try and avoid that after a point), and once Loki was gone, none of you had any personal connections to me outside of "wants me dead." That was an arguably huge oversight on my part.
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Fenrir
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 3, 2019 14:08:10 GMT
Well... -I was in Asgard: I got first in my section in challenge 1 My pair (Me and Aeolus) got the best time in our tribe for challenge 3
-In Olympians, challenge 4: I not only created the maze, but I also got the fastest time. After challenge 4 you can notice a drop off in my scores overall.
Beyond that, I suppose you don't know, which is an oversight on my part.
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Post by Typhon on Aug 3, 2019 14:17:04 GMT
Challenge 3 could have been Aeolus. Challenge 4, we lost, if you somehow forgot. Like we lost every challenge.
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Fenrir
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Post by Fenrir on Aug 3, 2019 14:26:24 GMT
Challenge 4, we lost, if you somehow forgot. Like we lost every challenge. Yes, but through no fault of my own. Only 3 people in the Olympians even submitted a correct solution. As for Aeolus, you should ask Osiris or Chronos about them. Tl;dr, I had to wait until the last 30 minutes just to get him to show up for that challenge.
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